I already know (and agree with) all that

but I strongly doubt I will hate their new album

the only thing that could disappoint me (I think) is if they release (at the time it will get out) something that sounds exactly like Experience (which is what I strongly doubt)

but apart from that I believe I'm open to anything that Liam could release

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there is no way all saints have something to do with prodigy, talking bout the music. but hearing their new track makes me wanna feel that we're gettin the best prodigy album

Like some others... I don't see Liam making a masterpiece like FOTL even by a wish.

Some would say the market is too cluttered but that's shit people cry about because something they felt was amazing was overlooked or was a flop. aono was a flop, like it or not... i may get many people saying fuck you oracle but i dont care.. it was a flop. sales dont speak for response. response was greater than sales. and the response was shameful... i watched as long time prodigy fans went "fuck this shit" and left then came back for the Their Law album... most who loved AONO were new fans.. and I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that but understand Experience was a Liam album.. his roots put into a rave scene he felt he could dominate and he did quite well! Jilted was a break from the norm.. post rave.. still Liam's roots... FOTL was a breakthrough and at perfect time... more of Liam's roots... Dirtchamber.. a slightly below average mix as he didnt actually mix he just cut and diced was 100% Liam roots... and then you get AONO.. Liam wanted an album of him taking it back to his roots but he always went with his roots.. so he wasnt going back anywhere.. he was just copying what was becoming popular at the time in parts of the UK and Europe..

Liam went from taking what was there and taking it a level above, challenging the top artists of each era and coming out near top if not top.. When Their Law outsells AONO with no promotion you know there is a problem.

People have this fantasy "people don't know Prodigy other than Firestarter and Breathe..."... bullshit! You don't go releasing one album that doesn't take too well, to release another album that covers the whole range and people instantly know it.... you're telling me people didn't know Prodigy during Girls, Spitfire and the like.. but then knew them when Poison and other shit played out?? Unlikely. The internet was strong when FOTL came out and people weren't stupid, they learned the past and present as well and the upcoming future... People crying for a new album weren't the fans that came here after learning of them AONO and after (no offense to you lot) This was a fans response... sure partial lack of backing by XL and Maverick but I can't blame them.. AONO was crap... people didn't want a hashed up electrotrash album by Prodigy.. they wanted in yer face rawness... you pick up the guitars in Jilted and FOTL.. you think people want something soft after that.. you just picked up rock fans and you go south... you can't try to pull another Experience out of your ass when there isnt room for one.. You have to use what made you what you are and make it better... fans didn't get that... I see alot of not another AONO plsss! and it speaks for itself.. We don't want that shit... we'd go see a proper electro act.. and not this new age shit..

Liam needs to get back on the breaks, get back to his hardware, use Cubase and Pro Tools as sequencers and be done with it... You don't put Keith and Keith into the mix and then take them out.. now fans are pissed.. you add something great and then take it away.. what do you think is going to happen..

I saw comments about Liam and wanting to be more a part of his family... my honest opinion and any professional producer would say the same.... RETIRE! You don't stay in the music bizness half in it and expect to be on top... yes Liam does expect to be ontop don't think otherwise... Do you really think he would want less.. look at his comments about AONO and his selling out of the back of a van bit... that's called interest in money people! If it was about the fans he would have said something like "I'm glad the people who've continued to support us and the new people who've found us, bought our album. It means alot to know people still like what we do." Did he say that? NO! He said he could have sold more albums out of the back of a van... (money!)...

To bring us all back together, new and old he needs something magical... and right now not hearing anything new from them I'm skeptical... Perhaps the time is for the best, but perhaps it isn't.. starting a label doesnt mean free will.. they pretty much had that where they were.. Liam just didnt want a fire under his ass.. he wanted to put out music when he wanted to (less releases)... and maybe put more time into signing people and running a label (more money for Liam)...

We all have these nice fantasies but it's time to own up to the fact that since The Fat of The Land.. Liam only works in spurts meaning he only works when he's inspired which seems to be alot less now. Sure he may come out with a megabomb of an album next but will they keep going? They are approaching their 40's and do people really want to wait years on them when they used to be months apart on releases?

It's becoming more like Pink Floyd... do some shit from time to time but in the end you're out of it.. you waited too long and you're not relevant anymore.

I love this bunch to death but I think they could be done here very soon. You can't be world traveller, top of the game producer, and keep a regular family life... tracks take months sometimes.. serious tours take half a year or better... Liam's wife and children wouldn't see him much at all until his 40's just for this album alone...

Below average mix? Hardly. Who cares if he didn't mix? Anybody can do that. Cutting and dicing a mix like with that many styles, influences, and genres is 1000 times harder then sitting there matching BPM.


Umm... Their Law was a greatest hits album, obviously it was going to outsell AONO. And there was plenty of promotion for it. I was in the UK when it was released, there was big posters in all the tube stations, it was all over the record shops, it was in newspapers, etc. How much promotion is really available in Wooster, Ohio?

You have points, and I don't disagree with everything you say, but you really taken your personal dislike for AONO as speaking for all Prodigy fans and I don't know how many more times you can tell us in so many words that YOU don't like it. It is the weakest of their albums, but it's still a pretty damn good album. I've said before, I'll stick Spitfire & Girls up there with anything he's ever written.

Anyways, it's boring talking about what he has done or might do. We all know the past, and we don't yet know the future. Obviously this is a make it or break it album. It can't just be "good". Either way, I've said before.. I expect this to be the last album.

Actually mixing that many styles and influences is 10 million times harder than cutting and splicing. DJ's know that through experience.. mixing and scratching is on the fly... They do lay out some tunes they want to play but they always work in other tunes.. so it's typically fluid not pre planned and made. The average Prodigy fan may not care, but fans of actual dj albums and dj's themselves care. It was piss poor in the mixing and development. Liam was never a good dj to begin with. He claims he can mix and scratch but nobody has heard this beyond his sad attempts during the Experience era. That was so lame my sister could be Mixmaster Mike. Liam is definitely not worthy of even a mention as a DMC competitor... thus.. Mix Album = Cool... Liam approach as a dj= fail...

Of course.. you'll always have those in the UK claiming mass promtion of any big selling artist. The promotion you saw was no greater than that of AONO in the UK. Point of fact, there has never been nor probably will there ever be promotion for Prodigy in my city yet the managed to sell out Jilted, The Fat of The Land, The Experience Expanded, and Their Law The Singles... what does that tell you??? AONO was here, people knew of it and didn't want it.

I have spoken many words and dislike AONO, but it doesn't disregard it was trash. more fans than not prior to the album did not like it. Agreed it is their weakest album, but where does that put Girls? .. I reckon up against Prince who win's easily... from back in the '80s where Liam tried to get his edge over everyone.. Spitfire?? who apart from the UK and Europe still holds that tune high? I bet Russia, Australia, America, and the likes put other tunes higher... It's not an era battle there.. they just like his other stuff more. I would even bet my balls that Jilted tunes rate over AONO tunes single handedly... any tune for that matter.

I hope this isn't the last album but I agree it could very well be the last...

interesting chat

Yeah but we're talking about a studio mix album, not a live "on the fly" mix. Make up your mind what you want to talk about. And barely any DJs play mixes this diverse. You got your house DJs, your electro DJs, your D&B DJs, your Trance DJs, etc. I've never heard another mix that comes anywhere close to taking you on the musical journey Dirtchamber does. I'm not talking about guys doing insane scratches at some DMC contest. We all know that it's technically difficult. I'm saying coming up with a mix like that is 1000 times harder than playing the same BPM shit like 99% of DJs do. Most DJs wouldn't even have the musical catalogues in their heads to make a mix like that.

BTW - why don't you make the Official Oracle AONO Bitching Thread

All of your arguments over promotion are always based on your prospective, in a small city in Ohio. I was in the UK during Their Law, you weren't. So I don't know where you even have a basis to form your opinion. You're quoting album sales. Give me some numbers. You are basing this off what? A conversation with Joe at the local Wooster record shop? I'm not saying you're wrong, but you are just plucking "facts" out of thin air. You say AONO was here people didn't want it... who cares if AMERICANS didn't want it? It went #1 in the UK in the dance charts, that matters a hell of a lot more then the stupid American charts.

Liam doesn't care about the US, he doesn't need to. Sure it's an added bonus if they were more popular over here but he can just go play one extra gig in Spain for the amount of money he'd make off all of the USA album sales (even if they were really high).


Umm yeah... opinion. Anyways, we're taking up too much space in here over these old pointless debates. We can resume them in the Oracle AONO Bitching Thread

AONO was number 1 in the UK album charts not just the dance chart. I don't know why anyone throws up sales figures these days in comparison to 10 years ago. 10 years ago you couldn't download an album before it was officially released from your home computer. Sales figures of all albums today compared to 10 years ago are poor.

When people talk about promotion I don't get what they want. What do they expect? A Goodyear Blimp flying around with an Ad on the side? In the UK 'AONO' and 'Their Law' both had TV, Bill Board and magazine Adverts to promote them.

The fact is that a lot of vocal people don't like 'AONO' but they never seem to like the fact that a lot of people did like it. Get over it. It came out 3 years ago. I can remember ravers saying The Prodigy had sold out in 1994 when 'MFTJG' came out because there were guitars on some tracks.

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thanks man!! but now i seen kinells pic greed takes over!! where did u get that man??
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Fatboy Slim, Lo Fidelity Allstars, and several others have done wide ranged mixes like Dirtchamber

the oracle is right

All of my arguements are like yours. You can't base being in the UK during the Their Law era as factual evidence of anything greater than turning on your computer and looking online at sales. Just being in the UK at any point during that time is about as important as me being in Germany at that time. We could have been anywhere, Antarctica for that matter. It wouldn't change sales here or there or Toronto. I think it doesn't really matter where someone lives that they have a right to form an opinion at all. Especially on sales in their local area and the general feeling towards an album. Can you show me sales from your area in Toronto? Or while you were travelling in the UK at what point you were there? It's all recorded, getting the information isn't always that easy but there are people who have it. I think last I saw the UK is over 3,000,000 in sales for Prodigy material, Canada somewhere around 350,000 or more, and the United States somewhere around 2,500,000 or more... and that's an old sales figure! Now tell me America doesn't matter. That's 7 times greater than Canada alone, but I wouldn't say you don't matter. I would wish Prodigy to play there just as much as anywhere else. When you look at it if Prodigy were taken in around the Experience era and Jilted era, and much better during the AONO and Their Law era.. we'd outsell the UK!

I think everywhere is equally important. I would never stoop to saying another country's charts are stupid. If Prodigy are rocking them that's pretty badass in my opinion. Especially Canada, if they're rocking there then wicked. It's pretty harsh of one to say nobody matters but the UK and nobody needs to America or anywhere else for that matter. I don't think you understand that American and Canadian markets combined are capable of more than 5 times the amount of the UK alone, and I'm not just talking about sales I'm talking about a potential fanbase.

The entire population of the UK alone is somewhere over 60,000,000. The entire population of the United States by itself, excluding Canada and Mexico is over 300,000,000. There is no force on earth that could possibly think Prodigy would make more money from a show in Spain than they would make from all the sales in America if they were hot here like they used to be.

But I guess that's my opinion...