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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:56 pm |
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Lieutenant Posts: 576Location: GermanyJoined: Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:38 am
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Nightmare wrote: Jr wrote: the only thing I'd miss out of the live tune is the female vocal and the horn thingie melody over it, which you now only hear played near the end.
But awesome tune. Female vocal? I dont remember. Remind me someone please. Edit: I remember: 04:10http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB3uIQrBvUo00:28http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWPB355-KnQ
listening to those vids reminds me how much better unstoppable was
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Warrior
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:37 pm |
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General Posts: 2089Location: Melbourne, AustraliaJoined: Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:22 pm
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my conclusion is... its better off without vocals, i wouldnt bother doing a cover of the live version with the track as is, in fact i dont think the vox were good in the first place after hearing the studio version, i can see why liam left this out.
n yeah unstoppable is better, could have been on the fuckin album as an instrumental, fuck stand up, why not b balls to the wall all the way to the finish fuck the blanket, what are you a grandma?
im hoping the next album liam would have learnt from his album versions of imd, thunder n omen not working live, n give the new single tracks the balls they need to be taken live from the get-go.
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Otis P Jivefunk
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:48 am |
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General Posts: 1780Location: EnglandJoined: Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:06 pm
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What pisses me off is when IMD tracklist was first revealed and people moaned (including me) because Mescaline wasn't on it, the other people kept saying it wasn't good enough because it wasn't fully developed etc, and same with Lost Beats EP, but now everyone thinks the first version (Unstoppable) is the best. So basically it's a giant contradiction, and really it was a fully realised track right from the beginning. I always thought it was anyway, I never understood why some people didn't...
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The Last Ninja
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:50 am |
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Major Posts: 708Location: Adelaide, AustraliaJoined: Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:57 pm
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Liam's like a painter that doesn't know when his painting is finished. Sometimes he just keeps on going and going until what originally was good to start with now resembles something else.
There's a whole heap of tracks that Liam has done this, sometimes it's for the better.... but we all know it's not always.
btw I like Mescaline..
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TRANS4MER
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:47 am |
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General Posts: 2534Joined: Tue Feb 06, 2007 9:54 pm
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Otis P Jivefunk wrote: What pisses me off is when IMD tracklist was first revealed and people moaned (including me) because Mescaline wasn't on it, the other people kept saying it wasn't good enough because it wasn't fully developed etc, and same with Lost Beats EP, but now everyone thinks the first version (Unstoppable) is the best. So basically it's a giant contradiction, and really it was a fully realised track right from the beginning. I always thought it was anyway, I never understood why some people didn't...
yeah man - the fans are acting pretty lame sometimes - everyone was like "Mescaline is the shit - it's way better than Unstoppable" and now they say exactly the opposite..it's quite boring
I've said it before - Unstoppable was the best version - that "chant" or whatever it was - that vocal sample was the hook in the track - the thing that crabs you and doesn't let you go...I wonder why Liam replaced with the simple "Mescaline....mescaline" thing - anyways - we got a great monster track which is better than most of the live versions (except Unstoppable) so I am more than happy
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Cogglesz
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 4:18 am |
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General Posts: 6933Location: Scotland UKJoined: Wed May 23, 2007 2:57 pm
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meh... not all the fans have the same opinions, i personally think unstoppable sounded complete shit, i prefer colours to it and colours is my least favourite track on imd (not incl lost beat tracks)
but once liam started doing a few things to it, it started to show its real true form for me, people should try not to compare this to the likes of first warning and shit, warning sounded a hell lot better than unstoppable, alot of changes works for tracks, piranha and mescaline i think it worked for the most.
everyone has their own opinion i guess but i can't see what people see in unstoppable, i think it sounds like a stupid song that couldn't pick a genre to go to personally, but i love every version of mescaline, i'm happy with this one
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JimbQ
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:41 am |
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General Posts: 2863Location: Bristol, UKJoined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:58 pm
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In my opinion, Mescaline is way better than Unstoppable. Unstoppable was the same beat over and over, hardly changed, this one changes a lot and i love it, sounds glitchy, I dont get bored of it halfway through and want to skip it or anything. That I would have done with Unstoppable. It is better without the vocals aswell, stands up fine without them, better probably, can focus more on the beats.
Thanks Liam
Also, another reason why it probably wouldnt have made it on the album is that they said they wanted to avoid controversy this time round, no swearing or drugs mentioned on the album, it doesnt need it.
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Warrior
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:55 am |
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General Posts: 2089Location: Melbourne, AustraliaJoined: Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:22 pm
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i love that this topic has 41 pages of ranting n ppl please dont complain about moaning n opinions. its a forum after all, n thats what its for, show me now what it is, we got to be doinnn and the music in the house is so soothinnnnggggg. smack my bitch up.
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ChemicaL
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:27 am |
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General Posts: 1296Joined: Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:49 am
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its fucking RAW!
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Kingdom
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:32 am |
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Colonel Posts: 972Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:10 am
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JimbQ wrote: can focus more on the beats.
there's no beat.
all i hear is a percussion line of hihats and snares without a proper bassdrum.
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untitled6
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:43 am |
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General Posts: 3121Location: LithuaniaJoined: Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:18 pm
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JimbQ wrote: In my opinion, Mescaline is way better than Unstoppable. Unstoppable was the same beat over and over, hardly changed, this one changes a lot and i love it, sounds glitchy, I dont get bored of it halfway through and want to skip it or anything. That I would have done with Unstoppable. It is better without the vocals aswell, stands up fine without them, better probably, can focus more on the beats. Thanks Liam Also, another reason why it probably wouldnt have made it on the album is that they said they wanted to avoid controversy this time round, no swearing or drugs mentioned on the album, it doesnt need it.
I still think Unstoppable is way better. It has the same beat over and over again but the intro ragga male voice samples are epic and works out with the beat wonderful. The great guitar line in the middle is also epic. The best Prodigy tunes has an amazing line before the break down, like the distorted ambulance noise on Take me to the hospital 2:30, Omen the xylophone part in the midle, Breathe the distorted guitar part after first chorus etc. Unstoppable sounded fresh. After that the tune turned into mess when they pleyed it live, Keef shouting "take some Mescaline, That's your destiny" that was like going back to Baby's got a Temper days. If Mescaline would have that Ragga male sample and the guitar line it would be perfect.
About the Controversy... Unstoppable wasn't a swearing and drugs theme innit? Liam and Keith made it controversy later on when he changed it to Mescaline theme. Why do it if they wanted to avoid controversy this time?
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dead0fnight
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:39 am |
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Captain Posts: 609Joined: Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:11 am
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untitled6 wrote: If Mescaline would have that Ragga male sample and the guitar line it would be perfect.
thinking the same,but still i love this tune,maybe one of our good remixer will put the ragga sample inside
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Cogglesz
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:08 am |
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General Posts: 6933Location: Scotland UKJoined: Wed May 23, 2007 2:57 pm
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dont complain guys, so what if its not unstoppable or some other version of it, we've got it now, its all ours finally, we should praise that fact and remember that in the end we actually got this track and its a sheer masterpiece as a song in every form.
we should be moaning about shit like, "why are the invaders eye lights gone from the stage" and "why isn't piranha on the setlist ?"
we could have easily never got this track, along with break and enter 05 and first warning, we'd be moaning alot more if we never got those tracks so lets make the best of it, it will be easy for people who love this version of the track, but just remember what it would be like without the track and having it just vanish from the setlist turning out like heatwave hurricane.
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jilted
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:19 am |
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General Posts: 1007Location: Atomic WastelandJoined: Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:26 am
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Mescaline misses a lot,
1) the sense - why call it mescaline, just because it starts with 'mescaline' lyrics..? what next? NOTHING
2) where is this damn twisted vocal on the beginning of unstoppable which was very important part of 'feeling the tune'
3) consturcion is pure shit, like many studio tunes of 'IMD era'
what the hell is going on in this band we'll never know - but it's not good if Liam destroys such great ideas.
i think missing vocals in some new tunes along last years (warning, mescaline, shadow) and some shitty vocals with no point (colours) should start a real debate about state of this band couse it's no good for me imho
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Nightmare
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:44 am |
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General Posts: 2669Joined: Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:04 pm
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Unstoppable female vocals are nice but sounds like not like a part of Mescaline. Sounds like another, different track. I Can't stop to listen this great raw track.
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