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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:52 pm
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Makiba wrote:
Hello everyone. If you have any questions about 'All Souvenirs' project, i can answer for every.

untitled6 wrote:
This is the guy behind it, making money thru patreon. Am I stupid or this guy is completely in the wrong.


What does mean 'wrong'? Patreon was built as corwdfunding platform, so it implies donations and subscriptions.


Jr wrote:
yeah but what you gonna do, it's sad they ask for money.


What does mean 'sad'? Are you always sad, when you need to pay?


Trawizz wrote:
Not worth any it. Only good rework they did, is the Rock N Roll 98 mix.


Thanks for feedback. But you are not the guy who, for joy, uploaded all our 'not good' works to your channel? So that time good were all of it.


I admit Now Hear This was alright done. I only uploaded the 4 fixed versions of the tracks you claimed to be broken from the DAT, and in the beginning, I did not know it was YOUR tracks, since you lied and said it was done by The Prodigy, so that you got angry about that, is bonkers. You wasted my time, by fixing these tracks, as good as i could. I don't like the first mix of Rock N Roll, and your version, you can hear some audience loop in the background, which made me wonder about how legit these tracks were at the time. Gabba is not that great really, and 95 Vibe is nothing to speak of, since it is basically just No Good (CJ Bolland Mix). Brown and Rock N Roll, I already had my own mixes on my channel long before yours, that was pretty much identical.


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Trawizz wrote:
Makiba wrote:
Hello everyone. If you have any questions about 'All Souvenirs' project, i can answer for every.

untitled6 wrote:
This is the guy behind it, making money thru patreon. Am I stupid or this guy is completely in the wrong.


What does mean 'wrong'? Patreon was built as corwdfunding platform, so it implies donations and subscriptions.


Jr wrote:
yeah but what you gonna do, it's sad they ask for money.


What does mean 'sad'? Are you always sad, when you need to pay?


Trawizz wrote:
Not worth any it. Only good rework they did, is the Rock N Roll 98 mix.


Thanks for feedback. But you are not the guy who, for joy, uploaded all our 'not good' works to your channel? So that time good were all of it.


I admit Now Hear This was alright done. I only uploaded the 4 fixed versions of the tracks you claimed to be broken from the DAT, and in the beginning, I did not know it was YOUR tracks, since you lied and said it was done by The Prodigy, so that you got angry about that, is bonkers. You wasted my time, by fixing these tracks, as good as i could. I don't like the first mix of Rock N Roll, and your version, you can hear some audience loop in the background, which made me wonder about how legit these tracks were at the time. Gabba is not that great really, and 95 Vibe is nothing to speak of, since it is basically just No Good (CJ Bolland Mix). Brown and Rock N Roll, I already had my own mixes on my channel long before yours, that was pretty much identical.


Did we ask you to fixing these tracks, as good as you could? I can't really understand a claim about your wasted time...
You can always pass by, we did not impose our works on you through the PM or asked anything. All your fixes, uploads & etc were made solely on your own initiative.
"audience loop in the background" in RNR - is original loop and it was not taken from "Schoolly D- PSK, What Does It Mean?" as many people thinks so. Audience noise is in original sound and not from 'live'. RNR is 100% copy of original.
Gabba since YT-upload been completed, now it's 100% copy. Anyway, that 95% completed version from YT is also good and it been approved by Liam.
We didn't upload any tracks called '95 Vibe', if you mean 'Helicopter Techno', yes it based on No Good (CJ Bolland Mix). Anyway, this jam is a part of band's history and it also was carefully re-created.
'Get Acidic' & 'R&R' from your channel sounds not clear, looks like mono 'live' recording from Karen been re-cutted without Maxim voice. But i've noticed that very few people care about sound quality & re-creations quality among the majority of fans.


As for ''making money" let me explain misunderstanding of few active fans. Some active fans is always looking for 'value'. I don't know who started this trend, but it came from 2000s. 'Value' i mean benefit only for themself. So logic from such people are next: i want a clear records, to get it i need to pay, i don't want to pay, guys who sells it are assholes.
But real state of affairs is: 'All Souvenirs' project is free, you can read all materials on our site and listen all re-creations on our Soundcloud or YT-channel. But that high quality, which you may not be able to feel or understand, requires a lot of investment both in time and in financial investments - purchase of sample packs, rental of professional studios, etc. For that reason been started a Patreon channel, for people who understand it and who want to support the project. Patreon is crowdfinding platfroms, that means, that interested people, of their own free will, can partially or fully finance the work of our project. (A bit strange to explain such things to European poeple.) And for such people we also making some exclusive content as our 'thanks' for support.
Such support is entirely voluntary, so if you don't want to support the project you can just pass by. Insults against the project, because "I was not given all the source materials on demand", and calls not to support the project are not entirely clear. More looks like childish whims and unfounded grievances.
Anyway thanks to everyone who somehow supported the project. There are even more cool works and investigations ahead. :guns:


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Makiba wrote:
But i've noticed that very few people care about sound quality & re-creations quality among the majority of fans.

... purchase of sample packs, rental of professional studios, etc.


Rent professional studios when no one cares about quality. Studios for what?

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A professional studio for tracks that are as stated above "80% samples of other artists" when Liam did it all on his old W30 with some records. This could easily be done on a laptop. I would imagine anyone doing Prodigy remakes was already a producer from the get-go with a computer, DAW, and other gear to make music.

Sample packs? What sample packs? It's been stated these songs are 80% samples from other artists. These are just jam tracks Liam played live that have no studio versions. No professional studio mastering wizardry needed.

Makiba wrote:
and it been approved by Liam.


I'm curious, how was Gabba approved by Liam?



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NEOREV wrote:
Makiba wrote:
But i've noticed that very few people care about sound quality & re-creations quality among the majority of fans.

... purchase of sample packs, rental of professional studios, etc.


Rent professional studios when no one cares about quality. Studios for what?



For better sound. For people who cares about it.


NEOREV wrote:
A professional studio for tracks that are as stated above "80% samples of other artists" when Liam did it all on his old W30 with some records. This could easily be done on a laptop. I would imagine anyone doing Prodigy remakes was already a producer from the get-go with a computer, DAW, and other gear to make music.

Sample packs? What sample packs? It's been stated these songs are 80% samples from other artists. These are just jam tracks Liam played live that have no studio versions. No professional studio mastering wizardry needed.



A professional studio for mixing & mastering. Liam used W30 and used mono loops to make files smaller, and due that facts almost all jam tracks sounds flat. We uses same samples & combination, but recreates stereo tracks. So how they would sound if they went to the studio. Also we mixing & mastering it to make sound more quality.
Also not all of tracks are jams. Such tracks as RNR'98, Trigger, Heatwave and other are not jams, and should sounds fat.
Sample-packs - that used by Liam, with snares, drum-loops, feedbacks & etc. Also pack of old vinyls where Liam took a samples.

By the way, we usually work with old tracks from 90s or early 2000s and most of it were made on analogue equipments. We noticed, that modern compressed mastering sounds shitty for such tracks, it makes sound blunt swotting. So mixing and mastering is very important thing as how can it not seem at first glance. For example RNR98 took 1,5 year, Trigger in process for 2 years. Heatwave been mixed for 3 different mix-engineers and it still not complete.


NEOREV wrote:
I'm curious, how was Gabba approved by Liam?



By feedback.


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Im surprised with all the negativity about the All souvenirs project. Personally i think its great for the prodigy fan community to have such a project. I like the website a lot, there is a lot of great info there, and its obvious that a lot of work was put in it to make it happen. I can only have respect for that. Articles and interviews are good read. And I really like the remakes. Rnr98 and Heatwave are brutal remakes, and I also like others too. When i first played Rne98 remake on my sound system I was really impressed with how fat it sounds. For me these recreations are great, because I can enjoy tracks I believe Liam would never release. Or maybe he will now :)

Keep up with good work!



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Makiba wrote:
A professional studio for mixing & mastering. Liam used W30 and used mono loops to make files smaller, and due that facts almost all jam tracks sounds flat. We uses same samples & combination, but recreates stereo tracks. So how they would sound if they went to the studio. Also we mixing & mastering it to make sound more quality.

Also not all of tracks are jams. Such tracks as RNR'98, Trigger, Heatwave and other are not jams, and should sounds fat.
Sample-packs - that used by Liam, with snares, drum-loops, feedbacks & etc. Also pack of old vinyls where Liam took a samples.

By the way, we usually work with old tracks from 90s or early 2000s and most of it were made on analogue equipments. We noticed, that modern compressed mastering sounds shitty for such tracks, it makes sound blunt swotting. So mixing and mastering is very important thing as how can it not seem at first glance. For example RNR98 took 1,5 year, Trigger in process for 2 years. Heatwave been mixed for 3 different mix-engineers and it still not complete.

By feedback.


I mean, you chose to do this. You wanted to remake unreleased Prodigy tracks and chose to go through studios to accomplish this. I still find it odd charging people for remaking Liam's work.

Also, making a mono file stereo is a pretty simple process.

Liam loved Zero G samples. I got those same samplepacks off torrent sites like Rutracker for free.

And if 80% of Liam's jams are other artist's samples, it's not hard to find those tracks and sample them in stereo. The W30 was mono, making anything Liam sampled into mono. But you're not using a W30 to sample these days. Plenty of stereo samplers or just ripping old songs into Audacity (free) or a DAW like Ableton. Unless the song Liam sampled from is only available in mono.

The W30 is mono. So when Liam is jamming tracks out live, that's what you're hearing... mono. It still sounds powerful. Perhaps a good thing would be to find out is what was in Liam's rack live back in the day. Also, a lot of what give his older tracks their sound is the sampling bitrate/khz, which was much lower than today's gear. The lower sample rate colors the sound in a way, gives it that crunch. Unless you're using old samplers, it's never gonna sound the same. I doubt professional studios care about doing things the old way/old gear.

You've heard the studio versions of RNR'98, Trigger, and Heatwave? I don't believe anyone has. In the end, it's all a guesstimate how the studio version sounded. Something you've heard live in a concert is gonna sound completely different in studio. You've either heard these tracks live in person or on an FM rip of a show, so it's all trying to imagine what the studio version may have sounded. A radio broadcast is gonna use its own compression, just changing the sound of a song. For tracks like Heatwave that have no clear recordings, it's all going off memory if you actually got to see it live years ago.

Perhaps this is why Liam scrapped these tracks, because he could never get them to sound right in studio form.

And if you want analogue mixing, you can buy one of the old Mackie CR mixers Liam liked to use for not much money to help color the sound. It was a huge part of their sound. It's not new professional studios, but finding some of the old bits of gear Liam used.

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What feedback did Liam give you?


scienideboy wrote:
Im surprised with all the negativity about the All souvenirs project.


I think the idea of the site was great. The negativity is about All Souvenirs charging €7-14 per month on Patreon to download their fan remakes. No one has issues with fan remakes, but trying to make money off Liam by copying his leftovers is what's bothering some. Personally, I think it is disrespectful to try and make money off remaking Liam's tunes. But, hey, that's me. All Souvenirs can do whatever they want. People are allowed to speak how they feel. But it doesn't seem like I'm alone in this feeling that it feels wrong.

For comparison, I'm a big Nine Inch Nails fan and a part of the fan community there. 11 years ago, a fan decided to make a NIN live archive (with the help of a few others who volunteer their time). Spent their time digging up shows going all the way back to 1988 and making friends with tapers. A massive amount of shows for download with venue info, tracklists, previews, a little write up about the show, every taper attributed, the source/equipment they used to record the show, the concert poster from that show if it could be found, an audio quality rating system so you know what you're downloading, and access to 16 bit an 24 bit downloads or some rare cases when lossy was the only option. Hell, they even had live video for download. Terabytes of live show audio/video. It is a massive undertaking. They never hid anything behind a paywall. Literally the biggest live archive of NIN anywhere. They only asked for donations when they needed extra server space because they were hitting their hosting limits with all the shows being uploaded and they were doing 20TB-60TB of downloads per month. You could go through the site and download whatever you wanted. It was truly for the love of the band.

On their last tour before the pandemic, Trent Reznor even invited the guy behind the site out to a concert. He got to meet the band backstage and hang out. Trent gave him some gifts as a thank you for what he created.



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:15 pm
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scienideboy wrote:
Im surprised with all the negativity about the All souvenirs project. Personally i think its great for the prodigy fan community to have such a project. I like the website a lot, there is a lot of great info there, and its obvious that a lot of work was put in it to make it happen. I can only have respect for that. Articles and interviews are good read. And I really like the remakes. Rnr98 and Heatwave are brutal remakes, and I also like others too. When i first played Rne98 remake on my sound system I was really impressed with how fat it sounds. For me these recreations are great, because I can enjoy tracks I believe Liam would never release. Or maybe he will now :)

Keep up with good work!


Thanks for support! Really nice to read adequate positive feedback among numerous unreasonable complaints. Yes, we believe Liam would never release it too. Thats why we decided to re-create it by ourself. Liam is always focused on new bangers, but old tracks sounds cool too and are especially valuable to fans from the 90s. Even uncomplicated jam tracks have their own unique old-school funky vibe.



NEOREV wrote:
I mean, you chose to do this. You wanted to remake unreleased Prodigy tracks and chose to go through studios to accomplish this. I still find it odd charging people for remaking Liam's work.

Also, making a mono file stereo is a pretty simple process.

Liam loved Zero G samples. I got those same samplepacks off torrent sites like Rutracker for free.

And if 80% of Liam's jams are other artist's samples, it's not hard to find those tracks and sample them in stereo. The W30 was mono, making anything Liam sampled into mono. But you're not using a W30 to sample these days. Plenty of stereo samplers or just ripping old songs into Audacity (free) or a DAW like Ableton. Unless the song Liam sampled from is only available in mono.

The W30 is mono. So when Liam is jamming tracks out live, that's what you're hearing... mono. It still sounds powerful. Perhaps a good thing would be to find out is what was in Liam's rack live back in the day. Also, a lot of what give his older tracks their sound is the sampling bitrate/khz, which was much lower than today's gear. The lower sample rate colors the sound in a way, gives it that crunch. Unless you're using old samplers, it's never gonna sound the same. I doubt professional studios care about doing things the old way/old gear.

You've heard the studio versions of RNR'98, Trigger, and Heatwave? I don't believe anyone has. In the end, it's all a guesstimate how the studio version sounded. Something you've heard live in a concert is gonna sound completely different in studio. You've either heard these tracks live in person or on an FM rip of a show, so it's all trying to imagine what the studio version may have sounded. A radio broadcast is gonna use its own compression, just changing the sound of a song. For tracks like Heatwave that have no clear recordings, it's all going off memory if you actually got to see it live years ago.

Perhaps this is why Liam scrapped these tracks, because he could never get them to sound right in studio form.

And if you want analogue mixing, you can buy one of the old Mackie CR mixers Liam liked to use for not much money to help color the sound. It was a huge part of their sound. It's not new professional studios, but finding some of the old bits of gear Liam used.




Don't take it as rude, but to listen to you, it seems that everything is very easy and it can be done for "check 1-2", and we have been crap-toiling for the second year already. Only in practice, no one, even nearby, has made any worthwhile re-creations for all these years. Especially if we are talking about unreleases.

Thanks for your feedback anyway, but we don't really need any advice, especially on working with sound. There are at least 3 specialists in our team who 'ate the dog' on this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dta54-n-hGQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY7DXvRnzp8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJPkjHjK8CU
And you can't even imagine how they find the original samples. They know perfectly well what equipment Liam worked on up to the last RCA cable and how this or that track should sound in reality. It’s just in words, everything is easy, and the guys have been interrupting all possible sources for years to find the very same or most similar sound. That sample Zero-G from the library is just the tip of the iceberg, which only the lazy doesn't know about.

In general, if analyze everything that you wrote, it turns out that you either understand all this rather superficially, therefore you are not able to really adequately assess the time and labor spent on searching and recreating, or you are deliberately trying to diminish the significance of the work of our project for some your reasons and grievances.



NEOREV wrote:
I think the idea of the site was great. The negativity is about All Souvenirs charging €7-14 per month on Patreon to download their fan remakes. No one has issues with fan remakes, but trying to make money off Liam by copying his leftovers is what's bothering some. Personally, I think it is disrespectful to try and make money off remaking Liam's tunes. But, hey, that's me. All Souvenirs can do whatever they want. People are allowed to speak how they feel. But it doesn't seem like I'm alone in this feeling that it feels wrong.

For comparison, I'm a big Nine Inch Nails fan and a part of the fan community there. 11 years ago, a fan decided to make a NIN live archive (with the help of a few others who volunteer their time). Spent their time digging up shows going all the way back to 1988 and making friends with tapers. A massive amount of shows for download with venue info, tracklists, previews, a little write up about the show, every taper attributed, the source/equipment they used to record the show, the concert poster from that show if it could be found, an audio quality rating system so you know what you're downloading, and access to 16 bit an 24 bit downloads or some rare cases when lossy was the only option. Hell, they even had live video for download. Terabytes of live show audio/video. It is a massive undertaking. They never hid anything behind a paywall. Literally the biggest live archive of NIN anywhere. They only asked for donations when they needed extra server space because they were hitting their hosting limits with all the shows being uploaded and they were doing 20TB-60TB of downloads per month. You could go through the site and download whatever you wanted. It was truly for the love of the band.

On their last tour before the pandemic, Trent Reznor even invited the guy behind the site out to a concert. He got to meet the band backstage and hang out. Trent gave him some gifts as a thank you for what he created.



As for 'charging people for remaking Liam's work', you find it odd because you disrespect someone else's work and someone else's time, except when it's freebies case or 'Liam-God' case. Many of fans, like in any other religious sects only treat gods and some opinion leaders with understanding, everyone else around is crap-people and you shouldn't appreciate their time. Their logic is like that - "I'm a fan, I just sat there for fun picking shit-rework and my work and time is not worth a penny, and the work and time of these guys are also not worth a penny like mine, because who they are?, yes it sounds better , but they are not Liam-god."
I am more than sure that you are from that category of citizens who will never support anyone with any donation for the development of the project, but will definitely write a negative complaint and dissatisfaction. Well, it's your choice, live with it.

This is not the first time I've read comparisons with some guys who took the time and laid out everything for free. I am very happy for them, apparently the guys had a lot of free time and money, but we do not. It is enough just to be adequate and over 15 years old to understand that 7.7 billion people living on earth have different circumstances and everyone decides for himself how to implement this or that project.
And once again I would like to emphasize that we, like that guy from your soul-story, collected all the available live recordings of unrelead tracks in most available quality, real-titles (not 'Brown', '95 Vibe' and other bull-shit titles) posted a preview, collected available real live tracklists, the entire design and much more - and posted it all free on our website. As well as remakes on our YouTube channel and soundcloud.
BUT FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO SUPPORT THE PROJECT AT THEIR DESIRE, WE HAVE LAUNCHED A PATREON, WHICH YOU CAN IGNORE IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO SUPPORT. CLAIMS 'WHAT THE F*CK DO YOU COLLECT THERE DONATES', WHICH DO NOT COVER IN FACT HALF OF REAL-COSTS AND TIME-COSTS - IT'S STUPID CHILD'S MISSUNDERSTANDING OF HARD-WORK AND LIFE AROUND.

P.S. - Also i will be thankful if you will mailout your request for free-sharing stuff to guys like David Starter and etc who did a real bisness (not donations) on live bootlegs with rare tunes. Tell'em this soul-story, maybe they will be emotionally moved and share a records with unreleases like Dust Yoself.


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Makiba wrote:
NEOREV wrote:
Don't take it as rude, but to listen to you, it seems that everything is very easy and it can be done for "check 1-2", and we have been crap-toiling for the second year already. Only in practice, no one, even nearby, has made any worthwhile re-creations for all these years. Especially if we are talking about unreleases.

Thanks for your feedback anyway, but we don't really need any advice, especially on working with sound. There are at least 3 specialists in our team who 'ate the dog' on this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dta54-n-hGQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY7DXvRnzp8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJPkjHjK8CU
And you can't even imagine how they find the original samples. They know perfectly well what equipment Liam worked on up to the last RCA cable and how this or that track should sound in reality. It’s just in words, everything is easy, and the guys have been interrupting all possible sources for years to find the very same or most similar sound. That sample Zero-G from the library is just the tip of the iceberg, which only the lazy doesn't know about.

In general, if analyze everything that you wrote, it turns out that you either understand all this rather superficially, therefore you are not able to really adequately assess the time and labor spent on searching and recreating, or you are deliberately trying to diminish the significance of the work of our project for some your reasons and grievances.

As for 'charging people for remaking Liam's work', you find it odd because you disrespect someone else's work and someone else's time, except when it's freebies case or 'Liam-God' case. Many of fans, like in any other religious sects only treat gods and some opinion leaders with understanding, everyone else around is crap-people and you shouldn't appreciate their time. Their logic is like that - "I'm a fan, I just sat there for fun picking shit-rework and my work and time is not worth a penny, and the work and time of these guys are also not worth a penny like mine, because who they are?, yes it sounds better , but they are not Liam-god."
I am more than sure that you are from that category of citizens who will never support anyone with any donation for the development of the project, but will definitely write a negative complaint and dissatisfaction. Well, it's your choice, live with it.

This is not the first time I've read comparisons with some guys who took the time and laid out everything for free. I am very happy for them, apparently the guys had a lot of free time and money, but we do not. It is enough just to be adequate and over 15 years old to understand that 7.7 billion people living on earth have different circumstances and everyone decides for himself how to implement this or that project.
And once again I would like to emphasize that we, like that guy from your soul-story, collected all the available live recordings of unrelead tracks in most available quality, real-titles (not 'Brown', '95 Vibe' and other bull-shit titles) posted a preview, collected available real live tracklists, the entire design and much more - and posted it all free on our website. As well as remakes on our YouTube channel and soundcloud.
BUT FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO SUPPORT THE PROJECT AT THEIR DESIRE, WE HAVE LAUNCHED A PATREON, WHICH YOU CAN IGNORE IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO SUPPORT. CLAIMS 'WHAT THE F*CK DO YOU COLLECT THERE DONATES', WHICH DO NOT COVER IN FACT HALF OF REAL-COSTS AND TIME-COSTS - IT'S STUPID CHILD'S MISSUNDERSTANDING OF HARD-WORK AND LIFE AROUND.

P.S. - Also i will be thankful if you will mailout your request for free-sharing stuff to guys like David Starter and etc who did a real bisness (not donations) on live bootlegs with rare tunes. Tell'em this soul-story, maybe they will be emotionally moved and share a records with unreleases like Dust Yoself.


Don't let this offend you, but you sound a little full of yourself. And it seems my words have hit a nerve. Let's talk about the real bizness. I get it, you need the praise by pretending your Liam to boost your fragile ego. You come off as one of those dick measuring "fans," like you're better than others. You use the band to bloat your own ego. We're supposed to worship you for remaking some of Liam's leftover tracks. Even funnier, it took three people... not 1, not 2, but 3 people with "professional studios" and all of today's technological leaps in music making to recreate something Liam made on his own with a W30 and some records he sampled over 20 years ago. You guys even went as far as taking Brainkiller interviews and posting them on your site without attribution (until someone called you out). You took the work of the entire fan community and took it all for your own site. You also chose to spend money to remake some old unreleased Prodigy tracks. Congrats. Any more self masturbatory statements you wanna make?

What a shock, from your YouTube links you shared, even they ask for money. 1 of your 3 producers is already charging people for his Prodigy project files. So it wasn't enough making money off selling project files to make specific Prodigy tracks, you're now also charging for your remakes.

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The Prodigy money making scheme keeps on rolling.

I support plenty of projects...original projects through Kickstarter, on Patreon, and directly. But I'm not giving money to people copying the work of other artists and expecting us to think they're amazing for it. I mean, why not put that energy into original music. Oh wait, because you know you could make some cash off this. In the end, whatever you give us is what YOU believe the studio version sounded since there aren't any studio versions. And no matter of marketing them as exact copies instead of what they are, fan remakes, is gonna change that. To be honest, I never got the fuss around remakes. I'm also not here to make money off the band or bloat my own ego. I'm just here to enjoy The Prodigy. I would never think of turning Prodigy into a money making venture for myself. I'm here for the love of The Prodigy. I'm not here to pretend I'm Liam. I'm not here to turn the fan community into a business.

You also come here and talk shit on other people who have made remakes. Just piss off with your attitude. I'll give respect to all other remakers who didn't try make money for their work. They did it for fun and for the love of the band. I have more respect for them than your arrogant, self fellating BS you spout. And, yes, I know of Dust Yoself. I know you wanted to namedrop it as part of your dick measuring contest like you're the only one who heard it. I don't know about David Starter or airing out his rarities bizness publicly. I didn't hear it from him. Also, one of your All Souvenir minions wanted to play make-believe friends with me in order to use me to gather information for your remakes, which, of course, I turned down and stopped even talking with them anymore... even when they dangled rarities at me.

Also, you still haven't said how Liam gave you feedback.


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NEOREV wrote:
"You're one of those dick measuring "fans."



I don't know what doeas it's mean, but it's stupid to cover up your idiocy with some fanaticism. Fans are many people and they are all different. But i was talked about most inadequate and always looking for negativity. Really, it is not enough for them to just enjoy the music, as you are trying to inform here, they, as fans of the sect, begin to be rude, insulting under the guise of some fanaticism. Thats i talked about.


NEOREV wrote:
You use the band to bloat your own ego.



Told by guy, who every time tries to inappropriately declare his authority in the fan environment.


NEOREV wrote:
We're supposed to worship you for remaking some of Liam's leftover tracks.



Why you used 'we' except 'I', is it that famous trick in a discussion, when a person runs out of arguments, he tries to speak on behalf of many other people in order to knowingly attract their support?

Anyway you just like another kid inadequate turned the discussion into just a showdown of personal relationships with insults and exaggerations. My congratulations. Sorry if i my words had hit a nerve.


NEOREV wrote:
3 people with "professional studios" and all of today's technological leaps in music making to recreate something Liam made on his own with a W30 and some records he sampled over 20 years ago.


Thats right! Maybe you so tight that you can't read it the third time, but we restore studio quality not 16khz sound.


NEOREV wrote:
You even went as far as taking Brainkiller interviews and posting them on your site without attribution (until someone called you out).



Another stupid childish provocation to turn people against, nothing new. All credits to BK in place from first day of publication.


NEOREV wrote:
You chose to spend money to remake some old unreleased Prodigy tracks. Congrats. Any more self masturbatory statements you wanna make?



That guy began his answer from "And it seems my words have hit a nerve." :lol:
Makiba wrote:
Fans are many people and they are all different. But i was talked about most inadequate and always looking for negativity. Really, it is not enough for them to just enjoy the music, as you are trying to inform here, they, as fans of the sect, begin to be rude, insulting under the guise of some fanaticism. Thats i talked about.


As far as I understand, you seem to be not 16 years old, but even over 30... I'm really wondered at your behavior


NEOREV wrote:
What a shock, from your YouTube links, one of your producers is already charging people for his Prodigy project files. So it wasn't enough making money off selling project files to make specific Prodigy tracks, you're now also charging for your remakes.



You can directly to message him. This is his personal project, that been launched few years before our. But does it matter for an overexcited inadequate character.


NEOREV wrote:
The Prodigy money making scheme keeps on rolling.
I support plenty of projects...original projects through Kickstarter, on Patreon, and directly.



You have never supported any projects. It is clear from your communication.


NEOREV wrote:
when their own music producing careers fail.



You came to this conclusion looking at your own soundcloud or instagram?


NEOREV wrote:
To be honest, I never got the fuss about remakes to begin with.



...but i spend my time to explain how it should be make. And how it's easy.


NEOREV wrote:
I'm not here to make money off the band, just here to enjoy The Prodigy. I would never think of turning Prodigy into a money making venture. I'm here for the love of The Prodigy. Not here to turn it into a business.



It's a bull-shit, you not just here to enjoy The Prodigy. You also here to to raise your ego, attack people, insult them, try to teach something that actually you cannot do, in general I am not a doctor, but apparently you are trying to self-release here in view of the lack of sufficient communication with people.
If you were only here for the love of The Prodigy, you will just listen the sound and positivity support any undertakings.


NEOREV wrote:
You also come here and shit on other people who have made remakes. I'll give respect to all other remakers who didn't try make money for their work. They did it for fun and for the love of the band. I have more respect for them than your arrogant, self fellating BS.



Not other poeple, just who making shit-reworks and tries to belittle our work. Once again, in the discussion, you switch to slogans about how correct you are, and how you support everything, but in reality you are a little vile person who, out of envy, wants to harm


NEOREV wrote:
One of your All Souvenir minions wanted to play make-believe friends with me in order to use me to gather information for your remakes, which, of course, I turned down as it would mean betraying the trust of my friend. I don't play that game, even if you try to dangle rarities at me.



Don't know, what you talking about, сould you tell us more about your 'dickpics' in PM experiece?


NEOREV wrote:
Also, you still haven't said how Liam gave you feedback.



Of course, our discussion turned into stupid insults from you. A bit strange to ask something adequate after a ton of shit.


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Makiba wrote:

I don't know what doeas it's mean, but it's stupid to cover up your idiocy with some fanaticism. Fans are many people and they are all different. But i was talked about most inadequate and always looking for negativity. Really, it is not enough for them to just enjoy the music, as you are trying to inform here, they, as fans of the sect, begin to be rude, insulting under the guise of some fanaticism. Thats i talked about.


YOU came here and started in with Trawizz. YOU came here claiming Liam approved of your remakes. YOU came here spouting how your remakes are better than everyone else's. Then you went on some nonsense about David Starter, like I'm supposed to give a crap. Oh yes, you are the true Prodigy fans because you have a rarity I already know about. You came here constantly insinuating who is this type of fan or that type of fan.

Wait, whose is the one declaring authority in the fan environment again? Certainly not me. I'm just calling out your shitty ways of making money off The Prodigy. I don't care how hard you think you worked. You're copying someone else's work, now think you deserve to be paid for it. You guys lied and pretended these remakes were real by hiding behind live jams that were mostly samples. This was all done under the guise of being real to direct people to your site eventually. Even your site is based off siphoning info from the fan community.


Maikba wrote:
Why you used 'we' except 'I', is it that famous trick in a discussion, when a person runs out of arguments, he tries to speak on behalf of many other people in order to knowingly attract their support?


I use we because I have a dozen or so people behind me who feel exactly the same way. We got our own little group too. They find your reaction entertaining.

Makiba wrote:
Anyway you just like another kid inadequate turned the discussion into just a showdown of personal relationships with insults and exaggerations. My congratulations. Sorry if i my words had hit a nerve.


You mean you namedropping David Starter like it's gonna get you street cred. You talking about who is this type of fan or that type of fan. Don't try to change this from what this is really about... charging for downloads of Prodigy fan remakes. This is all it is about. Also, you started with the insults or did you forget that?

Makiba wrote:
Thats right! Maybe you so tight that you can't read it the third time, but we restore studio quality not 16khz sound.


LOL, this comment really just proves to me that you do not know what you're talking about. Perhaps this is why it's taken you so long to perfect your remake and try to get it to sound right.

Maiba wrote:
Aanother stupid childish provocation to turn people against, nothing new. All creadits to BK in place from first day of publication.


No, you did not credit BK when you used our interviews.. Another member from BK called you guys out on that one, then you fixed it.

Makiba wrote:
Fans are many people and they are all different. But i was talked about most inadequate and always looking for negativity. Really, it is not enough for them to just enjoy the music, as you are trying to inform here, they, as fans of the sect, begin to be rude, insulting under the guise of some fanaticism. Thats i talked about.


Or some fans just don't find it respectful to the band to be charging for remakes on Patreon. You have to own the copyright to sell music on Patreon, which you do not.


Makiba wrote:
You can directly to message him. This is his personal project, that been launched few years before our. But does it matter for an overexcited inadequate character.


It just backs up the money making aspect behind it all.

Makiba wrote:
You came to this conclusion looking at your own soundcloud or instagram?

I don't really use Soundcloud anymore. Think the last time I updated it was over 2 years ago. Loads of fake accounts contacting you. It's not really a great place for chatting. Their audio quality is shit. I have made some great connections through Instagram.

Makiba wrote:
You have never supported any projects. It is clear from your communication.

Wow, I'll just let you keep on failing on that one. ;)


Makiba wrote:
...but i spend my time to explain how it should be make. And how it's easy.

No one said it was easy. But just because it's hard to copy another person's song, doesn't mean you deserve money for it. If you did it for the love, you wouldn't be charging. But then again, with what you said about about khz, perhaps someone does need to explain it to you.

Makiba wrote:
If you were only here for the love of The Prodigy, you will just listen the sound and positivity support any undertakings.


Ummm no, because you're not The Prodigy. You're just someone who wishes they were.

Makiba wrote:
Not other poeple, just who making shit-reworks and tries to belittle our work. Once again, in the discussion, you switch to slogans about how correct you are, and how you support everything, but in reality you are a little vile person who, out of envy, wants to harm


What were you saying about authority and positively supporting any undertakings again? Envy? :rofl: Keep embarrassing yourself, mate. You know what, you're right. I should've copied what Liam has done and used it to make money off it instead of just being original. I guess I don't have your business sense of mind to monetize my fanhood.


Makiba wrote:
Don't know, what you talking about, сould you tell us more about your 'dickpics' in PM experiece?


For example, Rock N Roll '98, before you guys figured out one of the guitar samples used, your guy was trying to get the info through me. I didn't go for it. Not the first time members from the Russian community used me.

But, no, sir I shall have to refuse your request and will not send you any dick pics. So, please, stop asking.


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NEOREV wrote:
Also, you still haven't said how Liam gave you feedback.



Of course, our discussion turned into stupid insults from you. A bit strange to ask something adequate after a ton of shit.


How is this an insult? For the third time, you won't say how Liam gave you feedback or approved your remake. Liam talked to you about your remake?



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I have a feeling that I am communicating with a child and the discussion turns into delirium. :?:


NEOREV wrote:
YOU came here and started in with Trawizz. YOU came here claiming Liam approved of your remakes. YOU came here spouting how your remakes are better than everyone else's. Then you went on some nonsense about David Starter, like I'm supposed to give a crap. Oh yes, you are the true Prodigy fans because you have a rarity I already know about. You came here constantly insinuating who is this type of fan or that type of fan.
Wait, whose is the one declaring authority in the fan environment again? Certainly not me.


Typical trick to mix all different non-friend facts and make a great conclusion. I came here to answer for questions and dispel misunderstandings from especially militant fans on the network, for the most part inadequate.

I will have to explain it again, but nevertheless, it so happened that in the fan environment there is a part of an inadequate audience. By and large, they are not fans at all, but crazy fanatics. But like all sting fanatics, for example, like Adolf Hitler and others, such people have oratorical abilities and are able to powder the brains of an ordinary person. They engage in aggressive online debate with great enthusiasm. it gives them pleasure.
And this case turned out to be no exception, a typical bunch of fanatics (not fans) on behalf of a large number of people loudly declare how to love and respect, and who is really an asshole and who should not be supported. Such discussions, as you can observe, very often turn into direct insults, getting dirty laundry from private messages, and just stupid loud slogans, which are really worthless. Such people are only "persons of words" and loud slogans, and never "of deeds". Also they never do anything worthwhile for real connoisseurs, but only aggressively slander under the guise of fanaticism, trying to prove their authority and bringing negativity and toxicity into society.
And it's okay when stupid teenagers play the role of such characters, but when an 25-40 adult does it, it's time to think. Because in most cases this is a mental disorder, and the longer a person is out of the doctor's control, the more dangerous he becomes for society. A striking example of such adult fanatics is Breivik from Norway, Tarrant from Australia & etc.
My recommendation is not to follow the lead of such people, they are not real fans, but frostbitten fanatics. True fans of sound prove everything with real deeds. Who and what is doing real work, and who is only capable of loud slogans - I think you are in a position to assess for yourself.



NEOREV wrote:
You guys lied and pretended these remakes were real by hiding behind live jams that were mostly samples. This was all done under the guise of being real to direct people to your site eventually. Even your site is based off siphoning info from the fan community.


This called 'prank' my crybaby. But reaction from 25-40 men was amazing, like i visited community of pregnant women. And yes, this called promo. And our site is based on mixed info found in the web, big part of it were found and created by us, most of it are still unpublished.
You can continue to humiliate and insult the project, but everything is clear with you. My recommendation is to see a doctor as soon as possible.




Nevertheless, I consider it necessary to comment on this for people, because this misunderstanding is still in the air:

NEOREV wrote:
Or some fans just don't find it respectful to the band to be charging for remakes on Patreon. You have to own the copyright to sell music on Patreon, which you do not.


I'm not selling music on Patreon. Platform is crodwfinding & we have subscribtion format for voluntary donators. People who subscribe us there do not even know what track, how many, and what information they will receive in return. Becuase we have no direct sales or anything. They subscribe as montly crodwfinding donation for our future work. They want to be sponsors of our project and they partially finance work of project, of course as we too. And not only for music resoration, also for interview translations, our investigation & articles. Actually we may not post any sound at all. Does it's called direct charging or sales?
With regard to our journalistic activities - i can write my personal articles as many as i want & about people bands i want. I no need any agreement with Trump for example to make an article about him. And that's our main direction.
Yes, sometimes we drop there our re-creations, but it's re-creations of non-commercial works, that never been released. It's is fully our restorations and it samples never been redeemed by The Prodigy, most of it never been registered in licensed catalogs. Legally these tracks are nobody's.

You are just fixated on this fact because you are a crazy fanatic and nothing more. You do not need all these subtleties and analyzes, and that Liam himself really does not care about a bunch of audiophiles restoring tracks he does not need, who also have a sponsorship subscribtion of the project. You are just like a mad fanatic to 'fight for the royal crown' on the net.
And this is proved very easily, because Liam himself has played hundreds of times another artist's tracks on large public stages & commercial festivals for thousands of people without paying copyright fees for it, and also used samples from other people's songs without redemption of rights, earning far from 10 euros on this as donations. To be sure, half of the tracks in Dirtchamber's commercial mix are not redeemed and are not listed in the tracklist. But you willn't run to Instagram to Liam to prove how bad he is. And then, because of a sponsorship subscription from a very modest number of people, you started swearing. This is a pure diagnosis - aggressive fanaticism. I hope this is where our discussion ends.


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Makiba wrote:
I have a feeling that I am communicating with a child and the discussion turns into delirium. :?:


NEOREV wrote:
YOU came here and started in with Trawizz. YOU came here claiming Liam approved of your remakes. YOU came here spouting how your remakes are better than everyone else's. Then you went on some nonsense about David Starter, like I'm supposed to give a crap. Oh yes, you are the true Prodigy fans because you have a rarity I already know about. You came here constantly insinuating who is this type of fan or that type of fan.
Wait, whose is the one declaring authority in the fan environment again? Certainly not me.


Typical trick to mix all different non-friend facts and make a great conclusion. I came here to answer for questions and dispel misunderstandings from especially militant fans on the network, for the most part inadequate.

I will have to explain it again, but nevertheless, it so happened that in the fan environment there is a part of an inadequate audience. By and large, they are not fans at all, but crazy fanatics. But like all sting fanatics, for example, like Adolf Hitler and others, such people have oratorical abilities and are able to powder the brains of an ordinary person. They engage in aggressive online debate with great enthusiasm. it gives them pleasure.
And this case turned out to be no exception, a typical bunch of fanatics (not fans) on behalf of a large number of people loudly declare how to love and respect, and who is really an asshole and who should not be supported. Such discussions, as you can observe, very often turn into direct insults, getting dirty laundry from private messages, and just stupid loud slogans, which are really worthless. Such people are only "persons of words" and loud slogans, and never "of deeds". Also they never do anything worthwhile for real connoisseurs, but only aggressively slander under the guise of fanaticism, trying to prove their authority and bringing negativity and toxicity into society.
And it's okay when stupid teenagers play the role of such characters, but when an 25-40 adult does it, it's time to think. Because in most cases this is a mental disorder, and the longer a person is out of the doctor's control, the more dangerous he becomes for society. A striking example of such adult fanatics is Breivik from Norway, Tarrant from Australia & etc.
My recommendation is not to follow the lead of such people, they are not real fans, but frostbitten fanatics. True fans of sound prove everything with real deeds. Who and what is doing real work, and who is only capable of loud slogans - I think you are in a position to assess for yourself.



NEOREV wrote:
You guys lied and pretended these remakes were real by hiding behind live jams that were mostly samples. This was all done under the guise of being real to direct people to your site eventually. Even your site is based off siphoning info from the fan community.


This called 'prank' my crybaby. But reaction from 25-40 mans was amazing, like i visited community of pregnant women. And yes, this called promo. And our site is based on mixed info found in the web, big part of it were found and created by us, most of it are still unpublished.
You can continue to humiliate and insult the project, but everything is clear with you. My recommendation is to see a doctor as soon as possible.


This seems to be your move.
And I'm sorry if using your own words bothers you.
You then go on a rambling rant about about Hitler, Norwegians, Australians, frostbite, and fanaticism.
When this has absolutely nothing to do with fanaticism, but simply about respect to the band.
You wanna try and diminish people's reaction into saying it's just other people telling them what to think.
Or perhaps people just don't like the idea of charging for fan remakes.

And that's what this is all about.
Charging for your fan remakes and how that makes fans feel.
Some fans won't care, others will not like it.
It clearly bothered enough people that you had to speak out about why you did what you did.
I don't know if you helped your case or not.

Once again, here is you explaining who is a true fan and who is not.
Here we go again, you always love to go back to who is the true fan and who isn't.
And you have the nerve to talk about bringing divide and toxicity into the community.
OK there, Mr. Authority of who is a true fan or not.
I'm not here arguing about who is a true fan like you are, but about respecting the band.

Apparently thinking it's disrespectful for charging for your fan remakes somehow means we're not real fans if we don't support you making money off the band.

You speak of deeds.
Well then, your deed is leeching and making money off Liam's work.
You can try and gloss it up however you like, but, in the end, this is what is happening here.
Your ego seems to leave you blinded to how once you bring money into the situation could look to fans.
But according to you, we're not true fans or whatever other nonsense you wanna say.

And for the 4th time, you avoided how Liam approved your remake. With what feedback?

Like I said before, All Souvenirs can do whatever they want.
Not everyone has to agree with it all.
Why do you care what I think?

Anyway, I'm done repeating myself.
This has been entertaining, but time to move on to better things.
Have a good one, Mr. Deeds.

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My two pennies worth is that the All Souvenirs project is mint, love the Rock n’ Roll 98 rework, sounds like straight from Liam.

Also good to heard the Jaws and Dre fills. Benny Blanco is decent too


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I have never imagined, that Hitler and Breivik would be mentioned in a Prodigy forum. That is mental.

What can the All Souvenirs page really offer? There are tons of crappy reworks of the unreleased tracks, and a very very few great ones. Yes the RnR98 you did close to perfect, but the snippets of the other tracks on that page, sound like any other fan rework.


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Trawizz wrote:
I have never imagined, that Hitler and Breivik would be mentioned in a Prodigy forum. That is mental.

What can the All Souvenirs page really offer? There are tons of crappy reworks of the unreleased tracks, and a very very few great ones. Yes the RnR98 you did close to perfect, but the snippets of the other tracks on that page, sound like any other fan rework.


I have never imagined, that confusing the years after such hardworking and interesting people like Neko, Kotta, Peter Thomas & other, lead in the fan communities will be taken by stupid aggressive fanatics. Not really doing anything, except for loud slogans, insults and sectarian mantras that are repeated from time to time under each publication. Such people as Breivik begins their way absolutely same. Except that their stupid ideas that they also fight on the net is not based on "love" of the music band.

Trawizz wrote:
What can the All Souvenirs page really offer?


Just strange question. Specifically, no one offers you anything. You just can scroll web and not to pay attention. We do not have a sectarian group to knock on someone's door and propose something to someone. We make different sorts of content and publish it, if you are interested - you follow, if not - you pass by.

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There are tons of crappy reworks of the unreleased tracks, and a very very few great ones.


Crappy reworks which you hastened to upload to your YouTube. And please just do not justify it by the fact that you thought they were real band's tracks, otherwise you officially declare that you don’t give a damn about music and you don’t understand sound, and in fact you only care where maestro is and where he is not.

Trawizz wrote:
but the snippets of the other tracks on that page, sound like any other fan rework.


Could you use proofs and comparisons that your statements did not seem like just empty chatter with the aim of belittling the quality. Just few example of our finished works & random shitty reworks sounds same. I will be thankful.

I just noticed how well really disgusting reworks spread among the fans, which at the same time collect a lot of positive reviews. This all suggests that people simply have no taste and are poorly versed in sound. I have nothing against, everyone listens to what he wants, but having such a "high understanding" in sound and such a taste, such people then climb into musical discussions, depicting a high understanding, smearing really worthwhile things.

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Yes the RnR98 you did close to perfect


Its only one track that been fully mixed and uploaded with normal quality to SC. It was done only in promotion purposes. Thats why you think so. Any other later uploads have been specially over-compressed to reduce sound quality - and all this so that lazy youtubers do not drag our content to their channels, supplementing it with disgusting artwork and without indicating the real authorship.
In any case, almost all of them, either exact copies, or almost exact copies according to their sound structure despite the low quality of the sound itself. Calling such tracks 'crapp' you officially declare that Liam's tracks, whatever they are: jams, old school, just live beats are shit, by your opinion of course.
The funny thing is that it really can be so, when you honor the maestro and at the same time call his ideas crap. Because typical fanatic, do not care about sound, and you can completely admire by his pressing one note on the synthesizer and at the same time called shit a completely recreated copy of his track, because this is not a maestro.

As for the other tracks, which are not exact copies, these works are simply not finished. There, by the way, it is indicated everywhere. And this was done in order to regularly post content, for people who are interested in following the development of the sound.


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