http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcboafKG1IY

Look at 1:43, the sound is very similar

w-30 is NOT a synth.. synth also use presets

The W-30 is a sampling workstation. All the sounds that you hear in the video above are wave samples loaded either via floppy disc, or the jack inputs.

The sound you are talking about is known as the "hoover" sound, and is a preset on the Roland Alpha Juno 2 and MKS-50 (Rack version of the Juno 2). The preset is called "What the ...?"

http://www.synthmania.com/Roland%20MKS- ... %20the.mp3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th2H3sQeO40

Most people tweak the preset a little bit to create the "hoover" sound.

Loads of old skool producers used that sound back in the 90s, not just Liam

apart from subtract, you are all wrong to some respect. w-30's and the rack mounts had loads of old skool sounds... come to remember it, my mate had a rack mount that came with a cd or summat... full of samples courtesy of Roland themselves... unfortunately for those not in the know... the W-30 was out years before the Juno... The W-30 is a synth! Even though it's classified as a workstation doesn't mean it's not a synth....

To say the W-30 isn't a synth is to say the M-1, Trinity, Triton, Karma, etc, etc are all not synths...

It's not a synth, it doesnt procude sound over a sinus or cosinus curve, and you dont get the elements of changing it like LFO etc. it has preset samples and todays workstations offer also a synth chip of producing sounds without using preset samples. Sorry, but you are the one in the wrong.

true i guess you could call the old w-30 a keyboard none the less... but it still has the abilities to be a synth

btw lfo's while they are good still to this day, are very quickly becoming a thing of the past

that was just an example, and LFOs are very well applied today and to 99.9% of all synths... as does the rest.

true... i'm sure we can argue the differences somewhere other than this thread... we dont need to sab it

There is no differences to argue, you had a wrong asumbtion and I gave an example and explained why your assumbtion is wrong. You then take my example and just argue about something entirely different. Yes, this isnt a thread to argue about another subject you brought up, not me.

whatever you say

Read a note in a magazine ages ago that Liam heard the track Mentasm by Joey Beltram, loved the "hoover sound" and actually flew over to the US and A and asked Beltram where he got that sound from...lo and behold, as geust4321 said: Roland Alpha Juno 2 and MKS-50, Liam went on and bought one.

No I not.

The W-30 was released in 1989. The Alpha Juno 2 was released in 1986...
Show me any evidence the W-30 was released before the Juno..

The W-30 is a sampling workstation. It's a 12 bit sampler and 16 channel MIDI sequencer. No synthesis involved at all. It plays back samples, period dot. It is different from a Trinity or M-1 because they use PCM synthesis which is digital sampled waveforms used as oscillators.



Listen to any dubstep lately?

This whole alpha juno 2 hoover preset is such old news btw. Yeah, he heard it in another rave song at the time, asked about it, and then picked one up. Liam commonly uses presets as do TONS of other groups. Who cares? I'm sure he can program his own shit as well, but when you want to write a tune, sometimes you can't be assed to write some new patch from scratch.